Editing Template talk:Authority control

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== Expand whitelist art ==

Please expand the whitelist of authority control (arts) with Museum of Modern Art, Städel, Prado and other museums. '''<span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[User:Grimes2|<span style="color:black">Grimes</span>]][[User talk:Grimes2|<span style="color:blue">2</span>]]</span>''' 16:24, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

:Is this prepared on the sandbox? <s>If I remember rightly, despite the name of "arts", this whitelist was never particular associated with the arts</s> &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:38, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
::I may have misremembered that. [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 February 26#Template:ACArt]] in case you're interested in the background. It predates my involvement with this template &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:48, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
::I've prepared [[Module:Authority control/config/sandbox]], but there is not the desired result. I think [[Module:Authority control (arts)]] should be edited instead. This module is very complex, so I doubt its only for the purpose of a whitelist. '''<span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[User:Grimes2|<span style="color:black">Grimes</span>]][[User talk:Grimes2|<span style="color:blue">2</span>]]</span>''' 17:21, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
:::[[Module:Authority control (arts)]] is unused. Your changes look correct to me &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:15, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
::::But the result doesn't fit. The Wikipedia article of [[Rembrandt]] has the template Authority control (arts). MoMA, Städel, Prado is missing. With |show=arts sandbox these IDs are available. There are about 20,000 articles with Authority control (arts) '''<span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[User:Grimes2|<span style="color:black">Grimes</span>]][[User talk:Grimes2|<span style="color:blue">2</span>]]</span>''' 20:23, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::How does it not fit? In your sandbox example below, the MoMA, Prado, etc. are correctly showing &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:56, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
::::::The problem is: The Wikipedia article [[Rembrandt]] has the template Authority control (arts). '''<span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[User:Grimes2|<span style="color:black">Grimes</span>]][[User talk:Grimes2|<span style="color:blue">2</span>]]</span>''' 21:59, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::::{{tlx|Authority control (arts)}} is exactly the same as {{tlx|Authority control|2=show=arts}}. It's just a wrapper &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:00, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Why is the result different? '''<span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[User:Grimes2|<span style="color:black">Grimes</span>]][[User talk:Grimes2|<span style="color:blue">2</span>]]</span>''' 22:01, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::It's not! The first two examples below are identical &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:03, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::Ohh I see, thanks. '''<span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[User:Grimes2|<span style="color:black">Grimes</span>]][[User talk:Grimes2|<span style="color:blue">2</span>]]</span>''' 22:10, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{done}}. Now they should all be identical &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 11:28, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::Thanks. We should discuss the removal of Fram's code on [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion]] again. '''<span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[User:Grimes2|<span style="color:black">Grimes</span>]][[User talk:Grimes2|<span style="color:blue">2</span>]]</span>''' 12:28, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::[[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 July 17#Module:Authority control (arts)]] &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:43, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
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== Nomination for deletion of [[Module:Authority control (arts)]] ==

[[File:Ambox warning blue.svg|30px|link=]][[Module:Authority control (arts)]] has been [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|nominated for deletion]]. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 July 17#Module:Authority control (arts)|'''the entry on the Templates for discussion page''']].

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:{{u|Ymblanter}}, {{u|Fram}}, {{u|Only in death}}, {{u|Pppery}}, {{u|Johnbod}}, {{u|Choess}}, {{u|ProcrastinatingReader}}, {{u|Beetstra}}, {{u|Pigsonthewing}}, {{u|Gamaliel}}, {{u|Mike Peel}}, {{u|14GTR}}, {{u|Spinster}}, {{u|WomenArtistUpdates}}, {{u|Aza24}}, {{u|KittenKlub}}, {{u|Robert.Allen}}, {{u|Aymatth2}}, {{u|Smirkybec}}, {{u| Tom.Reding}}, {{u|Curiocurio}}: I have nominated [[Template:Authority control (arts)]] for deletion. Please comment at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 August 15]] if you wish &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:56, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

== Armenia and Belarus national library authorities ==
Not sure how to request this, but can we please make records from the national authority files of Armenia (P8833) and Belarus (P3390) appear in the Template:Authority control in Wikipedia articles?  Is there a different page where I can request this?<br>— {{Q|P8833}}<br>— {{Q|P3390}}<br>([[User:OBCPO1]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:OBCPO1|talk]]) 11:31, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
:Both don't work. '''<span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[User:Grimes2|<span style="color:black">Grimes</span>]][[User talk:Grimes2|<span style="color:blue">2</span>]]</span>''' 16:13, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
::How so? For example, why couldn't the following two IDs (both in the Wikidata item) be added? Wikidata already creates working links to the authority records. Though for some reason, it's now having trouble with Armenia: "marc=1&" needs to be removed from the URLs Wikidata is creating.
::[https://armunicat.nla.am/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl?authid=9312 Armenia]{{*}}[http://unicat.nlb.by/opac/pls/dict.prn_ref?tu=r&tq=v0&name_view=va_all&a001=BY-NLB-ar2488202&strq=l_siz=20 Belarus]
::{{Authority control |qid=Q152293}} [[User:OBCPO1|OBCPO1]] ([[User talk:OBCPO1|talk]]) 18:35, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
{{Authority control/sandbox|qid=Q152293}}
{{Authority control/sandbox|qid=Q8016}} '''<span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[User:Grimes2|<span style="color:black">Grimes</span>]][[User talk:Grimes2|<span style="color:blue">2</span>]]</span>''' 14:55, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

:Weakly support adding national authority libraries &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:42, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

== Retire the pencil? ==

In articles such as [[Thomas A. Watson]], the edit pencil really stands out. Could this template adopt the same style for edit links as the Navbox? Rather than V•T•E, it could use I•E (for Item and Edit), which would also help to differentiate it. ~ [[User:Boro|Boro]] ([[User talk:Boro|talk]]) 15:11, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
:The difference is that V•T•E interacts with Wikipedia as usual, whereas the pencil is different and weird as a temporary measure to edit Wikidata. The editorial communities of Wikipedia and Wikidata continue to resist coordinating, with documentation in countless debates at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)]].
:The pencil is status quo so challenging to change because of high tension and strong feelings. I am in support of discussion about style changes but doing so would require social planning. One good way to plan is to have a group of about 5 people come to agreement, then co-present a discussion for broader change. I do not anticipate that there is a simpler way to get consensus.
:Alternatively, I support anyone being bold and making changes, but if anyone protests, then we need to slow down. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Bluerasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 15:18, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
:"really stands out"? It's a very small icon at the bottom of the article (and not even visible on mobile). And it's the same symbol used for Wikidata info in infoboxes as well. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 15:18, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
:It does stand out in the context of the bottom of the article for desktop users (who still account for 50% of views). I'll try to read up on the debates to better understand the tension here. After that, I'm here to contribute ideas and to be part of the discussion. ~ [[User:Boro|Boro]] ([[User talk:Boro|talk]]) 15:32, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' E for edit doesn't make sense, because the items property is edited in Wikidata. The question is only pencil or I for item. The pencil is the better choice. '''<span style="text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 1em">[[User:Grimes2|<span style="color:black">Grimes</span>]][[User talk:Grimes2|<span style="color:blue">2</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

== Empty string in suppress argument ==

When using {{para|suppress}} with empty string, the template outputs the maintenance category. Is this the intended behavior?

{{demo inline|<nowiki>{{#tag:nowiki| {{Authority control|show=|qid=|additional=|state=|suppress=}} }}</nowiki>}}

If empty strings are specified for the other arguments, the template will not output the maintenance category (unless an article connected to a Wikidata item uses the empty {{para|qid}}). I believe empty values in {{para|suppress}} can also be ignored. [[User:本日晴天|本日晴天]] ([[User talk:本日晴天|talk]]) 03:07, 14 September 2025 (UTC)